If you have missed the rest of the interview check out Part One and Part Two...
Two slices of the new Bob Dylan album; his tribute to John Lennon which made Michael cry and his post-apocalyptic rewrite of the old folk standard Barbara Allen which is my favourite..
JON: I tell you another album which is out this year which is so much better than I thought it was going to be is the new Public Image album. The first one since about 1990 I think.
MICHAEL: I’m going to go see them on Saturday.
JON: Oh you lucky man. Their guitarist, Lu Edmonds, who I’ve known of, I’ve met him a couple of times, he’s been around for years. He was with The Damned – he became The Damned’s second guitarist in 1976 or something. He’s absolutely extraordinary. He plays this weird Turkish thing and he makes Hendrixy noises out of a Turkish mandolin called a saz – it’s absolutely wonderful, a stunning record.
MICHAEL: Yeah, Lydon is something else man. How a kid from the East End of London could come up with this brilliant, you know this perception of the world it’s so fantastic, brilliant. I’m going to see them on Saturday at the ?? Steam ballroom, Manhattan, New York city.
JON: Well you’ve got to tell me all about it. The record’s wonderful and I’ve seen them on television doing a couple of songs from it.
MICHAEL: And you know what? He did it all himself. I am sure you know the story. He’s financed it all himself. He’s got no label, he’s got no management, he’s doing it all himself. Very similar to me, although
I’ve got Rob and you guys, you know, but in essence I have no manager. You know, I’ve managed this whole thing. I just don’t trust anybody. I don’t trust management because I do this all day, and all night. Rehearsing, writing, playing or selling, it’s all the same organism and I just think that I work harder for me than anybody else could
JON: Well yeah, it’s the 21st Century business model isn’t it? The music business as a business, is dead.
MICHAEL: But the music is very much alive.
JON: Exactly, music is alive, and it’s up to people like you and me celebrating the sort of liberation of having got rid of the music business.
MICHAEL: That’s it man and you know, it’s good. It’s so healthy – you might not sell as many records, but how much money do you fucking want? I mean do you want to be autonomous in your life- do you want to own your own life or do you want to give 60% of it away?
JON: You’ll probably make just as much money because you’re not having an enormous fucking entourage
MICHAEL: There’s no question. And entourages are so...they’re a bit like cigarettes, you know they are so uncool. What is this the
MICHAEL: I’ll look forward to it.
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